Is the US a Christian nation or are we abunch of heathens?
What is Christian about it? what is heathen?
What is Christian about it? what is heathen?
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Is the US a Christian Nation?
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Posts: 250 (10/25/04 15:30:01) Awakens the Dragon |
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CriancaBunnyears |
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Posts: 6783 (10/26/04 15:30:33) Congenial Succubus |
There are people that want it to be Christian. It shouldn't matter. Can't we not label ourselves? Please?
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Posts: 1572 (10/26/04 17:28:14) The Funkadelic Blues |
We are America. Not chirstian, not muslim, not atheist. Nobody gets special treatment, and anybody who forgets that has abandoned America's principles.
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Arioch Reborn |
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Posts: 691 (10/26/04 18:04:40) one fish | two fish |
America may not be a Christian society, but nearly 300 years after the Puritans arrived, America continues to maintain a Puritan ethic, especially with respect to its entertainment. We apply the virgin/whore dichotomy to our entertainment: it's either "racy" or it's clean as a whistle. We have little conception of nudity and sex as normal parts of life in entertainment, it's either "hey, hey!" or it's just absent.
There's also a strong economic factor. Because showing one breast is a watershed for turning a money-losing PG movie into a moneymaking R movie, the movie industry include breasts gratuitously... and it's completely obvious that it's gratuitous. It seems to me that Europeans don't include nudity so much for the "leer" value. I've noticed that you see a lot more nudity on TV in Britain a lot more. But it's not presented as "hey, look at the naked chick." They tend to include it wherever it's appropriate and in context for the story. After all, in the normal course of events, everyone is naked at least twice a day. Nicole Kidman said that when she appeared, very briefly, naked on stage in a play called "The Blue Room" in London, it was hardly even mentioned, but when it ran in New York, people never talked about anything else. In addition I think the Europeans use nudity and sexuality much more for its humor value, and that takes some of the sense of exploitation out of it. Silly denizens! Thinking is for people! |
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Posts: 1572 (10/26/04 20:29:28) The Funkadelic Blues |
Nude pictures of women appear quite frequently in Monty Pythin episodes.
To make it clear, I wasn't denying the fact that much of a America is dictated by the random spectres of puritanical christian values, but that our laws should never be driven by the sense that America is a christian country. |
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Posts: 1821 (10/26/04 23:28:03) The Doctor |
I'm with Arioch on this one, while we shouldn't be a nation based on Christian Values, we certainly our in respect to alot of our entertainment laws. And the media really has become the controller of the USA. I mean, think about the Janet Jackson incident, she showed her boobie on TV and it was a national scandal. It was a BOOBIE, you didn't even see the Nipple. BOOBIES are nothing to be embarrassed of. Sometimes I wish I had Boobies so I could flaunt them. If the same thing had happened in pretty much any other country some people would've laughed, and it would've been forgotten.
SHOW FORTH THE BREASTS AND DEFEAT THE PURITANICAL BEASTS WHO WANT EVERYONE TO THINK THEY HAVE NO SEXUAL ORGANS UNLESS THEY ARE ALONE. Sorry, that needed to be Capsed. Lets make fire out of clay, and blood out of vengence.
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Posts: 1572 (11/03/04 23:47:02) The Funkadelic Blues |
No, you don't even have sexual organs when you're alone, as that might tempt you to start playing solo.
*Gasp* Onanism! |
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Posts: 259 (11/04/04 19:45:55) Friend to all dogs |
You might want to define Christianity first. I get hammered by Mormons, Jehova Witness', Baptists, methodists, Born agains et al and their commonality seems to consist of disagreement if not open hatred for each other. Yes, there are many cultural elements of Christianity in our country, along with classical Greek philosophy, Rousseau, Copernican and many other great ideas and even some Masonry printed on our money. But as to being Christian? I was in basic training in the Coast Guard and we were a captive audience for the base chaplain. One day he was lecturing and made the classic comment "There are no athiests in foxholes." I pondered this for a minute, wondering how a Coastguardsman would find himself in a foxhole. then I raised my hand to reply. Smiling, the Chaplain said " you have a comment son?" Yes Chaplain, it seems to me there are fucking few Christians in them either, what with them trying to murder each other." My comment was rewarded by 4 hours of highporting (running the 2 mile circumferance parade ground with a M1 Grand rifle in hand, lifting it above my head, down out forward, in and up again.)
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Posts: 2623 (11/05/04 04:22:57) Proud to be Dutch |
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Posts: 250 (11/06/04 09:33:16) Awakens the Dragon |
I think Marte pretty much summed it up.
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Posts: 1331 (03/24/05 21:50:58) |
I'm from Australia, but we're pretty similar to America. I just have a question about what constitutes a public holiday... who do we recognise Catholic holidays like Christmas and Easter, but not other religions celebrations? I'm Catholic, so I'm not objecting to the validity of these events, but I just want to know, since government and authority are meant to be seperate to religion, why do we have Catholic holidays as public holidays?
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Posts: 370 (03/28/05 13:08:17) a.k.a noc |
Quote: That is a good example of American hypocrisy and/or ignorance. America is (as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong) the only country formed upon a destinct seperation between 'church and state', but even our current leader is a self-proclaimed christian. Which is fine, (Let us not turn this into a pro/anti-Bush discussion) but his beliefs should not have anything to do with his agenda. (Gay marriage, for example. Why is this wrong? Because the bible says it's wrong?) |
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Posts: 1071 (03/29/05 20:37:31) Dragons Rage Within |
Truthfully, I can't see the sense behind the current definition of separation of church and state (the original definition being that the state wouldn't mandate a certain religion above another). I mean, the laws are made to uphold a certain level of morality, and these morals have to be drawn from somewhere, be it Puritan, Catholic, Muslim or pagan roots (should Pagan be capitalized?). For example: everyone can agree that involuntarily depriving someone of life (ie, murder) is wrong, so there's laws against it. Same with stealing, rape, kidnapping, etc. It's when we move into less... defined, I suppose is the word, moral quandries that we run into problems. When is a fetus classified as a life? Is homosexual love really wrong? Should there be laws recognizing and/or condemning such acts?
On the one hand, the government has no business messing with peoples' private lives. On the other, if we're so determined to be morally degenerate (child porn and such), then maybe such laws are needed, just to put the brakes on a downward slide. (Candidly speaking, tho, I highly doubt if it's doing much good.) What was the question again? Oh, yeah. Yes, I think our lawmakers have the delusion that they're trying to uphold a set of values that are heavily based in the Christian theology. However, based on what I see around me, I highly doubt if it's working. We're like a lot of those old European churches - a lot of fancy carving, stained glass windows, and holy words, but there's bones buried under the flagstones. And the skeletons are coming out to play. And the Golden Royal will one day return to take her crown and lead the Kin ~ Second Scroll of the Hierarchy of Colors |
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Posts: 9653 (05/04/05 07:24:19) Will Rule for Food |
Agreed.
"We're like a lot of those old European churches - a lot of fancy carving, stained glass windows, and holy words, but there's bones buried under the flagstones. And the skeletons are coming out to play." And that's some mighty fine rhetoric there. |
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Posts: 36509 (05/06/05 05:13:39) «(1ik35 1uN4Ri5' Pi3)» |
I listened this morning to NPR radio and they talked about a whole new cadre of lawyers going to Christian law schools so that they can interpret the law from a Christian point of view. Some of them want to be judges too.
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Scrybe X |
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Posts: 285 (05/10/05 10:00:38) Awakens the Dragon |
Damn, that's kind of scary. I hate to sound like some paranoid conspiracy theororist, but does any one else smell a religious-fueled civil unrest coming?
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Posts: 259 (05/10/05 18:46:15) Friend to all dogs |
How ironic. We are fighting islamic fundamentalists who wish to impose Sharia, or laws based on the Guoran. I'm leary of ANY religon founded by guys running around under the hot desert sun.
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