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I will make a proper response to this in a about 13 hours, when I'm not rushing to catch a train.

But, to put it briefly: nothing is permanent. If your attitude is that what you do wlil get changed or removed in the future, and it won't work out as you purposely planned, you might as well kill yourself, because that applies to everything in life. Do some good, and hope that other people take advantage of it. I'm sure neither Rosa Parks nor Martin Luther King expected to be able to change the entire nation when they first set out - it just sort of happened. Who knows?

I have the same problems with America you do, which is why I'm now studying things like nation-wide subconscious. Truthfully, I have no idea what I'm doing, but that's the basic goal - to be able to change America's mind or values on such a large scale that it will do something. I don't know how, yet, but isn't that what we're all working for?

I think, Dave, that you have become obsessed with the permanence of your accomplishments, when that should not be an issue at all. To change the world is taken in small steps - you can't fix everything, instantly. It's stupid to believe that just because what you do might be countermanded in the future, doing that thing is worthless. Not only is that selfish thinking, but you seem to be assuming that nobody who shares your ideas would be around to defend your accomplishments, and even to build further upon them. Rome was not built in a day, and all that jazz.

What doesn't change? Just because it's difficult to create that change doesn't mean it doesn't happen. You can't change people's opinions or attitudes? Okay. Think about the problem some more. Maybe attacking the root of the problem is ultimately more useful than convincing some people now of your correctness. So become an activist and force education to be an issue. Or something. Do research, learn things, act on what you know.

Another thing I think that you are doing, Dave, is that you are trying (or want) to change the world by yourself. But, again, nothing happens in a vacuum. It's just... a whole perspective issue, here. Change doesn't happen in the snap of a finger - it happens gradually, over time.

Do dislike America beyond the President is, while not unreasonable, a sweeping statement, and your reasons for doing so are terribly oversimplified. People are complex, and understanding why they did what they did is a far more complicated subject than you'd think. Propoganda, fear, need for answers, and skillful manipulation on the administration's end is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to examining what in the hell happened with Afghanistan, Iraq, WMD, and the direction of the war.

Also, I wouldn't call doing "what's in your best interest first" evil, so much as natural. It takes a person who is highly educated, trained, and phillosophical (For example, ask Clinton or Bush if they've ever read Plato's The Republic) to see that the most personally beneficial choice isn't always the best, and the American system doesn't lend itself well to that.


I don't know, Dave. To be blunt, you sound to me like just another visionary American who has thrown the towel in because, well, getting things done is difficult.

Apologies if I've made any incorrect assumptions.